"ROSWELL 1947"

When the Mythology is Stripped Away,
What Facts Remain?

The Truth (?) Behind the Craft, the Bodies, and the Metal

Presented by Guy Malone


DVDs of this lecture available at http://www.TheInvisibleBattle.com

Thank you Peter for that introduction. And thank you Robert, and Renee, for inviting me to present this alternative and perhaps controversial *possible* explanation of the 1947 Roswell Incident. As we all probably know from the lecture description, I'm going to be presenting some new information for your consideration that I believe strongly argues that the Roswell crash was NOT the result of an alien spacecraft crashing in the desert. I know that goes against what you probably already believe, before you even decided to travel to Roswell this year, so I'm appreciative of the fact that anyone even came here today to give this particular presentation a fair hearing. Seriously, thank you all just for being here.

What I'm sharing with you today is simply a theory of course.. I'm boiling down and introducing you to the research of many other people, based on findings that haven't been that well-known for very long, which all add up to a very challenging interpretation of the events of July 1947. In a perfect world, you'll listen objectively to what I'm positing today, and you'll walk out of here making a personal decision as to whether anything I've said here has any real merit or not.

"General Ramey Says Disk is Weather Balloon"
"An examination by the army revealed last night that
mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was
a harmless high-altitude weather balloon"
Roswell Daily Record July 9, 1947

This same information that I'm presenting will also lend itself to your understanding of why I certainly do not believe that the Roswell Incident was a simply a weather balloon, as the Army Air Force stated in July 1947, NOR do I believe that the Air Force's 1997 Project Mogul Balloon explanation from their "Case Closed" book - their official "final word" on the Roswell Incident - has very much resemblance to the truth either.

"Roswell Report - Case Closed"
United State Air Force, June 1997

I apologize to any that might be completely unfamiliar with all of these differing versions of official stories the U.S. government has released, but I will say - in complete agreement I think with all of the researchers you'll have access to in Roswell this weekend - that both the 1947 and 1997 "official" explanations are full of holes enough to be classified as ridiculous fabrications. Of the 3 main arguments in the ufology field pertaining to what really happened here all those years ago - the alien hypothesis, the weather balloon hypothesis, and the Top-Secret Mogul balloon hypothesis - if those were the only three possible explanations, I'd say that the alien hypothesis is the one that best fits the factual data pertaining to what we know about July 1947 in fact.

However, there's now a fourth hypothesis on the table that's been gaining a lot of ground in the last decade. I'm one of many people out there presenting some version of this newer theory. In 2002, I published a condensed version online at the domain RoswellUFOcrash.com and I'm actually both honored and at times astonished to say that if you go online to Google.com and type in "Roswell UFO Crash"

Or even just "Roswell UFO" my writing on this subject has been the Number 1 or Number 2 match on Google for over 5 years now - constantly battling it out with Wikipedia, which is hard to beat. But you can at least see that a search of that prominence means that this view is becoming influential, to say the least.

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Number 2, only to Wikipedia .. and just above the very famous location downtown if you look closely, who come in at number 3. So you can see there's some reasons that perhaps I'm presenting this lecture here, by the way, instead of at the UFO Museum.

My site is now actually number two for both of those search terms, Wikipedia being number one for both of them now. No shame in that I suppose. You'll notice my subtitles include the terms Nazi UFOs and Operation Paperclip, and I'm of course tipping my hand a bit to display those to you now, but I do that partly to tell you right up front that most of what I'm sharing today you can easily find out and verify for yourself, if you know the right search terms to begin with. None of this is "classified top secret" anymore, but it was in the 1940s and 50s, thru the 90's even. From the information that's declassified now, it just becomes a matter of putting the right puzzle pieces together.

Many of you might know by the way, that my original calling to this field really had nothing to do with uncovering the details of the Roswell Incident itself. I'm a counter-cult researcher, and my specialty actually has more to do with presenting orthodox theological, or biblically sound, material to people who have turned their belief in alien life into a religious system in itself. That of course isn't my topic today - but today's presentation will include little to none of anything you might deem religious, or doctrinal from me. I just thought that you might find that useful to know up front, simply because someone out there is going to say that the only reason I'm motivated to popularize this view has something to do with my religious beliefs. You might be partly right in that, and honestly I think all researchers' conclusions are at least partially shaded by whatever lens, or worldview, they're looking through. It's unavoidable really.

But as some of you know, from 2000 - 2005 I did also run a storefront downtown promoting my religious views.. and so I was asked all the time in person "Well then, what do you think really happened in 1947???" And like 99% of everybody else who lives here... I didn't really have a good answer. But I was putting myself in the position of being asked all the time. And I definitely did believe that something crashed, and I believed, for the most part, the testimonies I'd hear from townspeople that had first or second-hand knowledge of the strict military cover-up that did in fact ensue here, in 1947 - there was simply no denying that. And only once I was finally pointed in a particular direction, I found the most compelling research ridiculously easy to find, mostly online. You really can look all this up yourself these days.

But once I did have this view worked out, I began to also promote it from my storefront of course, as an alternative to what was being popularized here in Roswell, right across the street from the UFO Museum in fact. Here's a picture

from back in the day... You see the red banner.. "There's 2 sides to every story..." If you look closely you can see the UFO Museum's signs reflected in the front window. So yeh, everybody who visited there, and everybody who worked there, had this view staring them down for a couple of years. There's actually probably more than one reason I've never been invited to speak at the UFO Museum - and I'm sure this one's in the Top 10.


(1) The Facts                                    
(2) The Official Roswell Mythology
(3) Operation Paperclip, Nazi UFOs
(4) The Bodies, The Two Witnesses
            & The False Prophets

Just like my lecture today, the website starts out with an overview of The Facts, and then what I've come to call "The Official Mythology" - the popularized version of The Roswell Incident. The difference is that I'm going to take a crack at shedding some new light on what you likely already believe are "the basics". I'm not going to be nitpicking these details apart by any means - "debunking" is not my tactic here at all - I'm mainly going to be sharing with you a lot of unknown details about what our government and our military - in highly compartmentalized ways, kind of like The Manhattan Project - were, IN FACT working on in 1947.

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The facts are:
#1) In July 1947, an unusual craft crashed in the desert of New Mexico.
#2) The Roswell Army Air base was involved in recovering the craft, and possibly "bodies"
(reported numbers have varied over the years, from 1-5)
#3) On July 8th, the Roswell newspaper published a Front Page Article
     "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region"



#4) Following orders, the military recanted the flying disk press release hours later, claiming via the next day's paper that it was just a weather balloon recovered.

#5) The government has been lying to us about it ever since

As an example of the ongoing lie, The Air Force changed their story in 1997's official "Roswell : Case Closed" report which I displayed earlier, stating that the alleged weather balloon was actually a Top Secret at the time Project Mogul Balloon just two weeks before the 50th anniversary of the crash was observed here in Roswell, and they then also added the bit about the "crash test dummies" being the explanation for "the bodies."

Problem was, researchers immediately pointed out - I think Stanton Friedman gets the credit for saying this first - that these dummies had not I think even been invented yet in 1947, but that they certainly were not used by the Air Force for ANYTHING until 1953. Which is of course so easy a fact to verify that it's led many to conclude that not only was the Air Force lying - again - in 1997's report, but that they wanted people to know they were lying. What I'm positing is that they unofficially - even via the first Press release from 1947 - want people to think the incident was extraterrestrial, to cover up some very ugly truths.

Starting with

Operation Paperclip
Image: Wikipedia, Public Domain (Official U.S. government photo)


Operation Paperclip ...

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The first time I saw this image I found it on NASA dot gov, swiped it, linked to it, and then the entire NASA page I linked to as my source disappeared. I have since learned about the handy "capture screenshot tool" that comes standard on all of our keyboards. ]

What you're looking at is a group of 104 German Scientists who were moved here, to Fort Bliss Texas and to White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico, and who were previously working on some very interesting advanced flying craft prototypes for Adolf Hitler in the closing years and months of World War 2. Google "Operation Paperclip" and start with the Wikipedia entry if you already don't believe me. Among those pictured, is Warner Von Braun, who went on to head NASA's rocket program and take us to the Moon. Historians now tell us that had Hitler gotten these working flying machines into mass production - photos of which I'll be sharing here very shortly - before the Allies successfully invaded Germany, that we would have lost the war.

[Many of these men were in fact Nazi war criminals guilty of crimes against humanity who were working on some very interesting advanced flying craft prototypes for Adolf Hitler in the closing years and months of World War 2, as well as using slave labor camps to build their rockets, bombs, and more experimental aircraft. Historians now tell us that had Hitler gotten these working flying machines into mass production - photos of which I'll be sharing here very shortly - before the Allies successfully invaded Germany, that we would have lost the war. Some of you have perhaps seen the Discovery and History Channel documentaries on this very subject that have cropped up only very recently.]


From the back cover:
"As the Allies moved into Germany, the full scale of Nazi research achievements burst upon them ... They grabbed weapons, instruments, tools, files and above all scientists." The London Observer


The earliest and perhaps definitive books on this subject of the classified program that brought these men to the U.S. are The Paperclip Conspiracy & Secret Agenda. This is Tom Bower's 1987 book "The Paperclip Conspiracy : The Hunt for the Nazi Scientists"

[The review by the London Observer reads on the back

(Read the back of the book)]

There's also

Linda Hunt's 1991 book Secret Agenda. In the opening page she says "This book would not exist if it were not for the Freedom of Information Act." Before 911, a LOT of now famous documents have been released to the UFO research field via this act, but Linda Hunt describes in the opening of this book that the government fought her so hard on the documents that she was digging up, that they actually presented her a bill for $239,000 in what they called "search fees". You think they were trying to scare her off maybe?

[(Rich, Dennis, Don...? (are any of you here now?) You use the Freedom of Information Act a lot in your research don't you? You ever get a bill like that from the government for using it? Would it kind of scare the crap out of if you did? Linda Hunt had some good attorneys, but suffice to say, some people did not want this information getting out. I link to the pdf form of this book for you by the way for those who might be interested. ]

The gist of all this is that when the US and Allied troops were invading all of Hitler's secret bases in the closing months of the war, they stumbled across such amazing technology that they wanted it. So these scientists were secretly brought into the United States under a media black-out program that "paper-clipped" fake bios on top of their Nazi crimes dossiers, because President Truman was personally against putting certified Nazi criminals on the American payroll.

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Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found “to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism.”

Said restriction would have rendered ineligible most of the scientists the JIOA (Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency) had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientists Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a
“menace to the security of the Allied Forces”.

- Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia

Truman expressly ordered that no real practicing Nazi's be brought into the US, but had that order been followed, even Wernher von Braun and other important scientists would have been excluded. Getting to the relevance of Roswell 1947, I need to first credit Dr Michael S Heiser, Phd, and his book The Facade for pointing me in this direction of research. Many of you here know his name, as he's spoken here in Roswell many times as well. I mention him now simply to note that his book was first published in the year 2000, and my site RoswellUFOcrash.com went online in 2002, but I'm going to share with you a couple of articles that both went online in November 2005 which sum all of this up very concisely.

[I point out that neither Mike nor I had the benefit of these articles to draw from when we were writing our original material.]



"...Thus began Project Paperclip, the US operation which saw von Braun and more than 700 others spirited out of Germany from under the noses of the US's allies. Its aim was simple: "To exploit German scientists for American research and to deny these intellectual resources to the Soviet Union."



Project Paperclip: Dark Side of The Moon. This is from the BBC 21 November 2005

Some excerpts:

Sixty years ago the US hired Nazi scientists to lead pioneering projects, such as the race to conquer space. These men provided the US with cutting-edge technology which still leads the way today, but at a cost.

[The end of World War II saw an intense scramble for Nazi Germany's many technological secrets. The Allies vied to plunder as much equipment and expertise as possible from the rubble of the Thousand Year Reich for themselves, while preventing others from doing the same.]

The range of Germany's technical achievement astounded Allied scientific intelligence experts accompanying the invading forces in 1945.

And it was the US and the Soviet Union which, in the first days of the Cold War, found themselves in a race against time to uncover Hitler's scientific secrets.

Thus began Project Paperclip...

[Thus began Project Paperclip, the US operation which saw von Braun and more than 700 others spirited out of Germany from under the noses of the US's allies. Its aim was simple: "To exploit German scientists for American research and to deny these intellectual resources to the Soviet Union."]

The article mentions some details of von Braun's associates - also brought into the U.S.


"All of these men were cleared to work for the US, their alleged crimes covered up and their backgrounds bleached by a military which saw winning the Cold War, and not upholding justice, as its first priority."

Now I want you to see this picture which the BBC article includes, and take special note of the reference to one of the captured flying craft, The Horten Ho 229, which I've underlined in red.

Part of the popular "mythology" associated with the Roswell Incident that many people have published is that our stealth aircraft, namely the B-2 bomber, was back-engineered from the Roswell 1947 crashed ship. It's now known that's not accurate

(READ 1 PARA, beginning at "With it radar absorbing wings..." The end of the next paragraph actually refers to the B-2 Stealth bomber as a "modern clone" of the Horten, and the caption under the photo reads The Stealth Bomber: Based on a 1944 German design.)

Here is one of the oldest images of the Horten Ho 229

from Germany, 1944. Again, this is from Wikipedia, and I've got more pictures to share with you soon . My point is simply to make you ask and answer the question for yourself .. Seeing this, would you argue that the B-2 Bomber that Philip Corso and others believe was reverse-engineered from the Roswell crash, was back-engineered from alien technology - or perhaps from German technology?

This second article, published November 16th 2005


"...Aviation doctors had suffocated gypsies in pressure chambers and force-fed Jews nothing but seawater for weeks to determine what pilots could withstand.

"The program’s architects (post-1945) were sometimes willing to build on the results of often deadly Nazi research on captive human subjects." paranthetical added by Guy Malone



..Suggests that what modern UFO advocates refer to as "The Truth Embargo" to use Steven Bassett's term, or even Richard Dolan's phrase "The National Security State" did NOT begin in 1947 as most people postulate, but rather "THE cover-up of Roswell" actually began right here, in 1945.


The article continues "These men and women were in essence spoils of war, taken by the victor to benefit from the vanquished foe’s history of scientific achievement.... As allied soldiers battled their way inland from Normandy, teams of technical-intelligence gatherers followed in their wake. Their first real opportunity came after the liberation of Paris, in August 1944, when competition among the Allies-particularly the United States and the USSR, but also Great Britain, France, Argentina, and Yugoslavia—heated up. Rivalries grew fierce in the following months as countries hid information from one another and scrambled to snag the best equipment and talent for themselves...

... by early the next year 150 scientists were working across the country, at locations like Wright Field in Ohio, (Wow .. did she just say Wright Field Ohio..? Anybody know why that's significant? If you know your Roswell story, Wright Field is where the wreckage from 1947 was eventually taken... this will become very significant later. She continues)

The Dora concentration camp had supplied slave labor for the Nordhausen missile works, where prisoners had been fed a single piece of bread a day and literally worked to death by the thousands. Aviation doctors had suffocated gypsies in pressure chambers and force-fed Jews nothing but seawater for weeks to determine what pilots could withstand.

The scientists drew little attention from the American press or public until 1957, when the Soviets launched Sputnik. Suddenly all eyes were on our rocket team. The assertion that “their Germans are better than our Germans” (variously attributed to Bob Hope, Lyndon Johnson, and myriad presidential advisers) summed up the public’s attitude at the beginning of the decade-long space race.

But Paperclip left behind another, darker legacy. The program’s architects (post-1945) were sometimes willing to build on the results of often deadly Nazi research on captive human subjects. [Working with Paperclip scientists, researchers hoping to develop a truth serum at the Edgewood Arsenal, in Maryland, tested psychoactive drugs on almost 7,000 unwitting American soldiers... Those experiments, and Paperclip itself, were among the first manifestations of what became a guiding principle of the Cold War, that the ends sometimes justified the means.]

Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945—whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets.

The author Ms Gibson here lays out - beautifully - the rationale for Operation Paperclip, and the fact that these two separate articles came out in November 2005 kind of indicates that whoever controls the press these days is kind of "okay" with the American people finding out about the Nazis working on US soil - 60 years after the fact. But are you beginning to understand now, that under no circumstances could that information be let out in 1947? What if you had just lost two sons fighting the Nazi's - how would you react in 1947 to finding out they're living in the United States and eating well on your tax dollars? All that I have just read introduces a topic I'll be getting back to later... that these Paperclip scientists were not only brilliant when it comes to technology, but were both adept at and willing to perform experiments on human test subjects, specifically, she said, "to determine what pilots could withstand." I'm just warning you now that this lecture is going to take a very dark turn shortly.

So back to the Horten vehicle... Here's a few more pictures...


Here's a modern re-creation made for a film documentary.

This 2009 National Geographic article documents the re-creation of a Horten noting, as many other sources likewise state, that mass production of these things could have changed the course of the war. Wikipedia states that these jets exceeded 600 miles per hour - way faster than anything The U.S. had, and flew to almost 50,000 feet. - Here's the close-up

— Photograph by Linda Reynolds/Flying Wing Films http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/photogalleries/hitlers-stealth-fighter-plane-pictures/

These last pictures are from a discussion thread and I can't tell you where these were gathered from as they don't cite sources, but they're really good pictures...

This might be a spoof, I can't tell, but the caption reads Indiana Jones Titanium from Hasbro - I don't know if the poster was trying to get people to go to something else that the image poster created, or if THIS is what he created. I apologize if this one is not an authentic 1940's era photo tho

This appears to be the one manufactured in the USA by Northrop


ALL http://www.militar.org.ua/foro/los-hermanos-reimar-y-walter-horten-t25709.html

I wish I could cite you the source for this picture, the poster didn't say anything about it.

Okay so we know Germany had these vehicles in prototype production prior to the end of World War 2. That's a fact, and anybody who wants to do this research themselves will find that they can't dispute me so far. BUT does that necessarily mean that the American military had them also? And what's all this got to do with Roswell, right? Here's some documentation from before 2005

This is a January 1946 document from Mike Heiser's website. It originates from - of all places - looking at the top right, Wright Field, Dayton Ohio .. Again, the Wright Field connection, where the Roswell debris wound up. I've added the red text so you can read the small type of the report's title -  .. It's unclassified now, but this is the actual cover page of a document that proves the United States "Air Corp" had a working knowledge of the German Flying Wings Designed by the Horten Brothers, and was authorized to begin work on them here in the US.

And if that's not enough evidence for you

here's a picture of one being unloaded from a train in August of 1945 in the USA. The Wikipedia caption reads
Unloading of captured Horten Ho IX V3 in the USA"

The Wikipedia entry for the Horten ends by saying
"During the final stages of the war, the U.S. military initiated Operation Paperclip, which was an effort by the various intelligence agencies to capture advanced German weapons research, and to deny that research to advancing Soviet troops. A Horten glider and the Ho 229 V3, which was undergoing final assembly, were secured and sent to Northrop Corporation in the United States for evaluation. Northrop was chosen because of their experience with flying wings, inspired by the Horten brothers' pre-war record-setting glider. Jack Northrop had been building flying wings since the N-1M in 1939."

Why is this important for our purposes today? Well for two reasons .. #1 If you didn't work for Northrop Corporation or for The United States military compartment that brought this aircraft over here from Germany in August 1945 - or if you weren't privy to Operation Paperclip in the mid-1940's - odds are, you didn't know that a craft of this type (or many others which I'll show you in a moment) even existed, much less had made it to the United States for R&D purposes.

This is important #2 for this reason -

 Who knows who this is? Right, Kenneth Arnold - the pilot who in June 1947 said that he witnessed some amazingly fast airships over Mt Ranier in Washington State. He described their flight characteristics as "skipping like a saucer" and as a result, in June 1947 The Press first coined the phrase "Flying Saucer"
??Interview.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ML2XqltZI


Which is actually wrong, as many researchers today often point out. Ken Arnold said it skipped "like a saucer" NOT that it looked like a saucer.

Okay please keep your eye on the screen real quick here.

Now that we know that these guys


were working on reproducing these craft

for American use, spread across these locations

Fort Bliss Texas

Wright Field Dayton Ohio

White Sands Proving Grounds New Mexico


who here would argue - or who here would NOW argue - that what Kenneth Arnold described in 1947


was really from outer space?

Some people that are really researched on the Roswell Incident already know what I'm about to share, and I think it will interest many of you to know that the craft recovered around the Roswell region in 1947 was not actually round in shape, as you may have pictured in your head due to cartoon artwork or Hollywood renditions. Most of us know that the 2 main books on Roswell that got everybody's attention were "Crash at Corona" by Don Berlinger and Stanton Friedman of course, who is speaking at the UFO Museum - and "The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell" by Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt. Don Schmitt also speaks at the UFO Museum almost every year, and of course he and Stanton Friedman propose the extra-terrestrial explanation.

You may have noticed when you came in the poster I have of drawings by Frank Kaufman, who was at least in the Roswell Army Air Base's 509th Bomb Squad, and claimed to have been involved in the clean-up of the wreckage, and the bodies. That poster that he drew is his alleged first-hand eye-witness testimony of what he cleaned up, or at least saw, and you may have noticed that the version of the craft he drew is also not round, but more "manta" shaped than circular. The book "UFO Crash at Roswell" depends largely on Frank Kaufmann's testimony, and also notes in the caption under Don Schmitt's drawing based on Kaufmann AND OTHER witnesses' testimony, that "The craft that crashed at Roswell was long and narrow; it was not a flying saucer." Altho nowdays Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt have both stated that they no longer affirm Kaufmann's complete testimony, if any of it, the book based on it is of course still out there influencing young minds today. You'd have to review their newest materials to find that out - But they believed him largely because Walter Haut recommended him.

But here are two more of Kaufmann's drawings of the craft he allegedly saw published in the book "Roswell 1947 : I Was There" by Robert Shirkey.

Robert Shirkey is about the ONLY original Roswell witness nobody has successfully debunked by the way. Altho Walter Haut is definitely credible at least in the fact of his original claim that he carried the Roswell press release that is famous world-wide. That much is certainly true. Some of his later quotes and especially the affidavits published after his death do sometimes contradict each other, and his original statements, and many Roswell researchers have detailed those inconsistencies. I'm not going to here. (But see here http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Haut.htm )

All we know for sure is that witnesses are inconsistent on whether the Roswell crashed ship was round, or more triangular, or manta-shaped. Since it's also argued that the idea for the B-2 bomber came from the Roswell crash, that kind of argues against the "round" or "disc" hypothesis, and I've already submitted the 1944 Horten to you. But we do know FOR SURE that the U.S. had scientists here working from German designs. While we do have real pictures of the Horten, there's yet another German prototype vehicle "the Lippisch P 13"



Lippisch P 13.B


that we only have sketches and models of, because while the Nazis were starting to work on the prototype, the war ended before anyone can verify one was actually built, and then Operation Paperclip grabbed up all the existing sketches, prototypes, and scientists they could relating to these craft.


Image: http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/LIPPISCH%20LI%20P-13B%20PAGE.htm

Lippisch P 13.B


Here's a modern model of what the Lippisch, if built, would have looked like.

So, German aircraft scientists who were designing and testing both The Horten and arguably The Lippisch were now doing so in the U.S. beginning in 1945.  ....So whaddaya think?


"Designed in December 1944, The (Lippisch) cockpit was located in the nose of the fuselage,  Main landing gear comprised a retractable skid, while the rear of the aircraft would rest on the reinforced wing tips." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippisch_P.13b


 Wikipedia reads "Designed in 1944, the Lippisch..."

Either it's reallllly amazing just how close those Germans got in World War 2 to designing ships that look amazingly like extraterrestrial spacecraft from other worlds - OR - perhaps there's another explanation. Maybe the German scientists who designed the Hortens and The Lippisch in 1944, given 2 years in U.S. secret labs with a blank check from Uncle Sam, maybe developed a spiffier model by July 1947?

I think you can see where this lecture is really going by now .. There's a part of me that really just wants to sit down now, thinking maybe I should just quit while I haven't really offended anyone, yet, with this man-made explanation of the Roswell craft.  But, if I do that, eventually most people will bounce back to questions about "the bodies" and the fantastic metal found at the crash site, right? I certainly did, so, I will be getting to those details soon. Just keep in mind, I have introduced the topic of human experimentation by Nazi war criminals, on American citizens, to this discussion, already, for a reason. This only gets worse folks.

[Just for the purposes of this presentation I've focused on the Horten model flying wing craft, largely because of the availability of actual images - opposed to drawings - but]

If one wants to argue that the recovered Roswell craft was round, well today, there is a whole stream of research regarding other much more advanced models that weren't as similar to our modern stealth fighters, but were in fact round, or disc shaped. There's not time today to give you an exhaustive look at some of these things, and actual photos are quite rare, so just to start you on your own research if you're so inclined, here's a few of the books you might want to be aware of.

Hitler's Flying Saucers ... Those are photos btw. The author of this book appears in a History Channel video I'm going to play for you shortly.

Projekt UFO from the 90's which has just now been reprinted with this snazzy new cover

"...the SS murdered most of the scientists and technicians involved with the project..."


Now this book and the sequel by the same author are really making some waves right now.

Joseph P. Farrell was born in Sioux Falls, SD, and received his PhD in Patristics 1987 from Oxford. After teaching college for 17 years, he retired to pursue his interest in alternative science and history research.
The Amazon description reads In 1945, a mysterious Nazi secret weapons project code-named The Bell left its underground bunker in lower Silesia, with its project documentation, and the 4-star SS general Hans Kammler. Taken aboard a massive six engine Junker ultra-long range aircraft, The Bell, Kammler, and all project records disappeared completely, along with the gigantic Junkers carrying them. It has been speculated that it flew to Argentina. (Remember earlier, the American Heritage article I read from, stated that some of the German scientists went to Argentina. Farrell was on Coast-to-Coast with Ian Punnett just this past March,

If I had time I'd play you some of this interview, but it's on YouTube, which is where I got this image. Ian Punnett is now a big advocate of this gentleman's theories about Roswell by the way. Joseph Farrell posits that the Roswell craft actually originated in Argentina - again, where some of Germany's scientists wound up. He names 3 of them by name in this interview.

The Amazon description continues...) As a prelude to this disappearing act, the SS murdered most of the scientists and technicians involved with the project (which tells you that The U.S. DIDN'T get the ones that worked on The Bell aircraft which was) a secret weapon that, according to one German Nobel prize-winning physicist, was given a classification of decisive for the war -- the highest security classification. Offered here is a range of exotic technologies the Nazis researched, and challenges to the conventional views of the end of World War Two, the Roswell incident, and the beginning of MAJIC-12, the government’s alleged secret team of UFO investigators.

And here's Farrell's new book's cover,

which just came out in February. I only discovered it looking for these other images on Amazon and I haven't read it yet. And if it turns out he's right about the Roswell craft originating in Argentina, and I'm partly wrong with what I and others have presented arguing that it possibly coming from the U.S., then so be it - I'm always eager to learn something new and change my mind based on new information. Not everybody is, of course. The point is merely presenting that I think there are valid arguments that the craft recovered in 1947 didn't come from outer space.

So before moving on, I've concentrated mainly on the Horten model, and it's resemblance to the Kenneth Arnold sightings that made flying saucers a buzz-word in United States media before July 1947. Remember much of the furor and hoopla surrounding the immediate global response to the 1947 Roswell Daily Record article was precisely because we already knew, at the time, that amazingly advanced airships were being seen all across the U.S. and reported on nationally, but the scoop of the century came when the headlines read "Roswell Army Air Field Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region"

So the fact that there was now one on the ground and that perhaps Americans could now finally know the truth and find out what these things were was packed with promise and excitement! However, history tells us that didn't happen - the public was never permitted to find out the truth behind the Roswell crash - and if the line of reasoning I'm proposing has any resemblance to the truth, perhaps now we're beginning to see why.

The phrase "You can't handle the truth" does come to mind. If there's any Nazi / Operation Paperclip connection to the Roswell Incident at all, I don't think 1940's Americana society really wanted to know that we had hundreds of Nazis living here on secret military bases and working for us, to make sure we could defend our new title as undisputed World Champion Superpower ... and the President and top military brass sure as heck didn't want to own up to it either - especially given that the president's explicit orders were disobeyed and cicumvented by what would become The CIA. I'm suggesting that the moral outrage of that fact getting out in the 1940's, would have been at least as bad, and divisive an issue to our country, as The Vietnam War was in the 60's and 70's.

Again, if what I'm suggesting here even resembles the truth, I'd ask you to think for a minute on whether the US government was actually RIGHT in covering it up. It's of course highly debatable still today whether we even should have brought these guys into the country, but after World War 2 we had the cold war starting up, and all the evidence suggests that The Soviet Union and at least half a dozen other countries WERE recruiting these scientists and taking them and their technology into their borders. Where would we be today, if we had not done the same? We'd be standing on the moral high ground, yes, but we'd probably be a third world country by now as well. Tough call, no matter how you look at it.

The books I've previewed you here hint that there were other types of flying craft being designed by Nazi Germany. I of course can't major on all of them today, but I would like to show you 3 minutes of a History Channel program just to let your mind go where it will. This is for free viewing on History.com - search Real Nazi UFOs, and I think you can buy the whole documentary.

CAN THIS BE DOWNLOADED? http://www.history.com/videos/ufo-files-real-ufos---nazi-ufos All to 3:09 or
back-up link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnAhXvC2v0Q  0 to 1:56 & 2:40 - end

Okay that's some pretty amazing imagery and information for a three minute video, right? BUT let me be the first to say "Don't believe everything you see on the History Channel" okay? I don't want to undermine a premise that I myself put out, but to end this portion let me share a more balanced thought with you from a Burlington News article on "Hitler's UFOs" says

PP -

However, exactly what was being developed is now less a matter of historical record, and more of an historical jigsaw, with not only pieces missing, but other pieces conceived in the minds of writers who then peddled fictitious Nazi flying saucer myths to those who chose to believe them. 

Establishing fact from fiction from over fifty years ago is no easy matter, and we are forced to consider information that is largely unverifiable. Yet when pieced together a plausible story of Nazi flying disk technology does begin to emerge. 



I think you'll agree that knowing the U.S., The Soviet Union, Argentina, and arguably a few other countries - Christine Gibson's article listed 6 - all got pieces of this new aerial technology and at least SOME scientists skilled at making them, knowing that begins to shed a whole new light on the entire history of the flying saucer movement, I'd argue. It's not my purpose here today so much to say it's ALL man-made, but like I said, I played that video to let your mind go where it will with the topic, and draw your own conclusions. Keep in mind the books I just showed you, and this quote from Christine Gibson

So as Allied soldiers battled their way inland from Normandy, teams of technical-intelligence gatherers followed in their wake. 

...competition among the Allies-particularly the United States and the USSR, but also Great Britain, France, Argentina, and Yugoslavia—heated up. Rivalries grew fierce in the following months as countries hid information from one another and scrambled to snag the best equipment and talent for themselves...

Aside from the countries mentioned just in her article, From the closing of the Man-Made UFOs book I showed you

MMUFOs p 369-370]

So in closing out the Nazi UFO portion of my website, I summarize it this way.


The TRUE facts are...

1) In 1940-45 Nazi scientists were aggressively developing amazing flying machines...
2) In 1945 The U.S. moved them to Texas and White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico...
3) In 1947 an unidentified flying object crashes in the New Mexico desert, and the military enforces the greatest cover-up of any event ever discovered by the general public...

So with this new information in your head, perhaps for the first time for many of you, my question becomes, "Where do you think the craft recovered in 1947 most likely came from?" Mars? Alpha Centauri? The Pleadian Star system? I'm not here to tell you what to think, just to maybe make you think about this topic in a way that you probably never have before. And there's nothing wrong with that, because most the information that I've presented today, wasn't readily available to you perhaps until just now.

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I would like to say before switching gears that to so many that I've shared this view with just conversationally over the years - without powerpoints! - once this paradigm  is made plain, the matter is usually settled for people who AREN'T die-hard Roswell alien believers that this entire incident was indeed a man-made event. To most, the details become academic, and pretty inconsequential. The rest of the stuff, like the bodies and the strange metals, are just details that probably have an earth-bound explanation as well.

I don't know where you personally are in all that tho, and because I had the same questions - about these other details - I'm now going to offer some possible answers. The disclaimer is that I'm going a bit more into more speculative realms from here. My point is not to try to offer a smoking gun  - because there isn't one. I'm simply asking the question with you, "If the craft can be argued as having a non extra-terrestrial origin, what possible earthly origins could there be for the metal, and the bodies?"

I'll go right on ahead and take the more controversial one first - the bodies, because after all that was my first question.  ]

Switching gears, the obvious question becomes, "What about the bodies?" I'll apologize in advance, because I know this is going to offend some of you. That's not my intent, but getting to the truth is, and I just let the research take me where it would, even though it turned out to be pretty dark.

In the previous section on Operation Paperclip, I introduced the ugly fact that human experimentation was part of what the Nazi scientists were guilty of before they came here. Linked from my website, there's an article on the George Washington University's National Securities Archive page. And unlike the Nasa.gov and  army.mil pages, that I used to link to to support my theory, GWU has never removed this page since I started linking to it - YAY!

It's just a plain text document that matter-of-factly discusses the Paperclip scientists, as well as the radiation experiments they conducted IN the United States, AFTER they were here, AT the Air Force School of Aviation Medicine. It's addressed to

 Members of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation 

and it reads in part

The Air Force's School of Aviation Medicine (SAM) at Brooks Air 
Force Base in Texas conducted dozens of human radiation experiments 
during the Cold War, among them flashblindness studies in connection with atomic weapons tests, and data gathering for total-body 
irradiation studies conducted in Houston.


The experiments for which Nazi investigators were tried included 
many related to aviation research. These were mainly high-altitude 
exposure studies, oxygen deprivation experiments, and cold studies 
related to air-sea rescue operations. This information about air crew 
hazards was important to both sides ...

It continues elsewhere

"A number of military research sites recruited Paperclip scientists with backgrounds in aeromedicine and radiobiology... The portfolio of experiments at the U.S. Air Force's School of Aviation Medicine... included total-body irradiation and space medicine."

Now this is sad, and in some effect, damning. It's a sad but true part of our American history that our government has at many times experimented on humans without their knowledge or consent. There are many lists of such acts online. Here's one from Rense.com


1931 - injects human subjects with cancer cells and exposes American soldiers AND CIVILIAN hospital patients to radiation
1932 - 200 black men are diagnosed with but never told they have Syphilis just so we could study the disease
1935 - We allowed a curable disease to wipe out portions of "poverty-ridden black populations"


1943 - US begins research on biological weapons
1944 - US Navy uses human subjects to tests gas masks by locking them inside a gas chamber filled with Mustard Gas
1945 - Operation Paperclip
1946 - Hospital patients used as human guinea pigs for medical experiments
1947 - Atomic Energy Commission begins administering intravenous doses of radiation to human subjects
1947 - LSD is tested on both military and civilians without their knowledge

You might find this hard to believe, but as recently as 1997, Senator and former astronaut John Glenn submitted a bill to congress to only finally protect Americans from being research subjects without their consent. Addressing Congress, he said (read only the red)


S.193 -The Human Research Subject Protection Act

"I began to ask the question, what protections are in place to prevent such abuses from happening again? What law prohibits experimenting on people without their informed consent?

"What I found, when I looked into it, is there is no law on the books requiring that informed consent be obtained. I believe there is a need for such a law...

"I find it astounding that even after Nuremberg ... we still don't have a law on our books requiring that informed consent -- those two words, `informed consent'--be obtained prior to conducting research on human subjects....

Finally Mr. President, my legislation would codify a recommendation which the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments made regarding the conduct of classified research involving human subjects.



1997, John Glenn is recommending legislation that you and I have to be "informed" of any time the government wants experiment on us! This should be shocking to you. But it's a cold hard fact that the U.S. government - and frankly, anybody - had carte blanche to experiment on humans without their knowledge or consent because of some serious loopholes in the legal system that Senator Glenn pointed out in this speech. And that definitely includes the early days of the Cold War era, and the period between 1945 and July of 1947...

So, relating to Roswell, once you're not afraid to go where I don't think many Americans living in 1947 would have even dreamed of, there are definitely a few possible explanations for the reported bodies that have arisen. The most well-documented - which I'll share with you in just a moment - was proposed by well-known UFO researcher Nick Redfern in his 2005 book "Body Snatchers in the Desert : The Horrible Truth at the Heart of The Roswell Story."

I didn't know Nick well then I was writing my theory, much less that he was following some leads and working on a book about a man-made explanation of the Roswell Incident. But on my site I put forth a "total shot in the dark" hypothesis about the bodies.. and that being 2002, I don't remember exactly what inspired me to do this, but I was aware then somewhat that human experimentation occurred, and also that institutionalized people, those who wouldn't be as readily missed, were sometimes targets. I simply went to Google and based on what some prominent Roswell story-tellers claimed, I typed in "Symptoms: large bald head, big eyes..."

New Hope for Progeria http://current.com/news/89421213_new-hope-for-progeria-drug-for-rare-aging-disease.htm


And I learned for the first time, about progeria. And as I wrote on the website, I hope I've never been more wrong in my life.


 "Children with Progeria usually have these features: dwarf, bald head, pinched nose, large head with a small face, prominent eyes, and wrinkle skin.

"...results in rapid aging of children, beginning with growth failure during the first year of life that results in disproportionately small bodies given the size of their heads. The children are thin with baldness, wizened narrow faces, and old-appearing skin. Children with progeria develop early atherosclerosis. The average lifespan is the early teens..."
Source:MEDLINE plus Medical Encyclopedia

"Among the first symptoms to develop are: hair loss, disappearance of cheek fat with sharpening of facial features, and diminished growth. "As the children turn old within a remarkably short time, their change in appearance can be shocking. The head is disproportionally large and bald and the facial appearance is one of hollow cheeks with a tight skin, scanty eyebrows and eyelashes, a pointed nose and, frequently either crowded or missing teeth...
Excerpted from: Progeria - A Fight Against Time


But the math did kind of add up... Nazi's on U.S. soil, known for human experimentation, experimental craft, and a cold war to win...

Progeria victims was just the original line of thinking I posted in 2002, as a possible terrestrial explanation for the bodies. Nick Redfern and Mike Heiser have likewise postulated that the people in the crashed ship could have been other human unfortunates, like POWs or radiation victims, as other possible explanations. By the way, when Nick reviewed my website for me in 2002, he made the comment, that I posted - largely because I felt honored to have a positive review from someone of his stature -


"I would agree with you that the possibility that the Roswell bodies were human is a very real one and is one that regrettably very few researchers are looking into. There was a book being planned on this by 2 authors that was to be titled 'Iceman Down' but I think this was shelved. But I would definitely say that more research should be done in this area, particularly re paperclip etc. The only problem I have with the progeria hypothesis is that progeria is extremely rare. Would the nazis or us have been able to acquire 5 people with progeria of similar appearance and similar height and all in 1947?
      (Kudos also to Mike Fisher of Roswell for being the first to say this to me.)

Redfern continues: "However, Tim Cooper (a researcher now retired) did interview several years ago a former US military nurse who told him that small and unusual bodies were being flown to Los Alamos from 1945 to 1947 by the military and the rumor was that they had been used in biowarfare and nuclear experimentation in Japan during the War and had been found by US forces after Japan was defeated."


Well apparently Nick looked into it a bit more, and it turns out that the last chapter of his book I'll be quoting for you is actually titled "Progeria." BUT this second paragraph here, it turns out, is the main thesis of his book. I'm going to read from
Dr Michael Heiser's summary and review of]
Nick's 2005 book in a moment, but first, just to get Dr Michael Heiser back in the picture, as he's the one that got me started on the Paperclip trail - altho I think I got him started on the progeria trail.

 This is from his site, which starts by saying "The view taken in The Facade...."

That is an actual government picture by the way, but from a later date, not 1947. Reading from the second half, "The Facade argues..."

(Then) I'm going to have to skip reading from Mike's excellent summary of Nick Redfern's book, but I'm going to run through these powerpoints real quickly for those who want to freeze them on DVD

[Skip============ No offense to Mike if I'm wrong on this, but I think I gave him the progeria idea with my site when I just googled for symptoms - this particular page that I'm reading from is newer than his book. Mike, from this page, was my source for the 1946 Report Cover I showed earlier on the Horten Brothers crafts being known of by the Army Air Corp in 1946. That same document also appears in the back of Nick Redfern's book, in which he goes into some amazing documentation regarding the connection between radiation experiments done on humans - especially prisoners of war - but builds a paper trail that also leads to the Roswell Incident. For now I'll quote from  Mike Heiser's review of Nick's book in fact

In simplified terms, Redfern believes what happened at Roswell involves the intersection of several programs being conducted by Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, and our own government during WWII and the years immediately following.  These programs were:

PP=== 1.      The Japanese Fugo balloon program  – This program involved the use of experimental high altitude balloons as weapons.  The goal was to launch these balloons from Japan in such a way as to ensure that they would be carried by the winds over the western United States.  The intended payload on these balloons were lethal biotoxins. 9,000 such balloons were launched in the initial phase of the plan, complete with ingenious explosive devices.  A few reached U.S. soil, and there were a few casualties.  The press wisely obeyed military gag orders on these events, and so the Japanese were kept from ever finding out if their balloon bombs were effective.  The nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought the war to an end before the Japanese could send the Fugo ballons with bioweapons. Learning about all this has renewed my confidence in our nuclear decision to end the war.

PP==== 2.      Japan’s Unit 731 – One of the more infamous atrocity mills of WW II.  Unit 731 was an officially sanctioned and funded bioweapons program / facility headquartered in Harbin, Manchuria.  Headed by Shiro Ishii, Unit 731 has become synonymous with human experimentation for those who know of its existence.  Experiments on human beings (or “logs” as they were referred to) involving live human vivisection, effects of frostbite, high altitude pressurization, exposure to bioweapons, flamethrowers, and explosives were routine.  These experiments included U.S. POWs.  This Unit was the potential source of the bioweapons to be used for the Fugo balloon project.

PP==== 3.      Operation PAPERCLIP – The now well-known program begun under the Truman administration to bring Nazi scientists to U.S. soil for their knowledge and expertise.  As Nick demonstrates, the program eventually included Japanese scientists.  However, even prior to the “heyday” of PAPERCLIP, the U.S. government, with the approval of Douglas MacArthur, was soliciting and procuring Unit 731 scientists for their advanced knowledge of bioweapons and their effect on human beings. Nick marshals brief, but weighty, evidence that both Nazis and Unit 731 scientists who engaged in human experimentation made it into this country and wound up on the U.S. payroll.

PP=== 4.      Nazi Advanced Wingless Aircraft / the Horten Brothers “UFO” Development – This refers to the work of Reimer and Walter Horten, mainly toward the end of the war, to produce a flight-worthy wingless disk aircraft.  Although models were tested and commissioned by the Luftwaffe in 1944-45, the war ended before the Nazis could more perfectly develop and mass produce the model.  The Horten craft was discovered by the British, after which the Horten brothers were invited to Britain to continue their work.  An agreement between the two and Britain could not be reached, and the Hortens returned to Germany in 1945.

PP === 5.      NEPA (Nuclear Energy for Propulsion Aircraft)  This program focused on developing nuclear energy for the propulsion of aircraft.  One of the significant obstacles with achieving the project goal was shielding pilots from radiation.  Another problem was constructing a reactor light enough and small enough for an aircraft.  A sub-problem for the testing involving the protection of occupants from radiation was that, eventually, human occupants would have to be put at risk.  Redfern argues that, in the wake of the 1947 close of the Nuremberg trials—which called for the end of human experimentation—those involved in our testing program felt rushed to gain official permission to use human subjects.  Attempts were made to procure legislation allowing human experimentation.  Documentation indicates that, eventually, prisoners and mental patients from U.S jails and institutions were used, along with dead bodies snatched from morgues and hospitals without consent of surviving kin.  This body snatching program was dubbed Project Sunshine.  Of particular relevance for Redfern’s thesis is the documentary evidence that certain “specimens” were procured from Formosa, home of Unit 731. 

pp=== "The intersection of all the above offered by Redfern can be briefly described as follows.   Roswell was a PAPERCLIP screw-up.  The “UFO” was in reality a wingless craft launched from a U.S. base in the southwest via a high altitude Fugo balloon. These craft were occupied by either a Japanese crew (no one over five feet tall) or human unfortunates being utilized for testing purposes.  Two or more of these craft crashed at Roswell and other nearby locations, explaining the multiple site / multiple date problem pointed to by skeptics as conflicting (and therefore unreliable) testimony.  The bodies were human, but physically unusual to those who discovered them.  The victims were small, perhaps oriental, or perhaps unfortunates who suffered from progeria or Turner’s syndrome (which involved baldness, enlarged head, and even polydactylism).  The UFO explanation was floated to the public to deflect attention away from the fact that Nazis and other Japanese war criminals were on our payroll.  After the late forties, the UFO scenario proved useful for misdirecting the Soviets, and so the myth was continued.

pp=== Redfern supports this reconstruction in a twofold way:  actual de-classified documents and clandestine sources.  My only criticism of the book pertains to a small point about the documentation, so I mention it here before proceeding.  I would have liked to see Redfern give more details as to where he got the documentary evidence.  That annoyance aside, in my view, he does a good job in laying out the details of the above reconstruction from his inside sources, and then proceeds to systematically corroborate data points with physical (documentary) evidence.  For example, his book contains documentation for the adaptation of the Fugo program at U.S. military facilities (including a Japanese crew), a far-reaching program of radiation testing involving U.S. citizens as guinea pigs, procurement of Japanese war criminals from Unit 731 under PAPERCLIP, and human experimentation involving the handicapped, retarded, children, dwarfs, and victims of progeria.  Redfern also adds some startling correlative evidence to support his reconstruction.  For example, Dr. Lincoln Lapaz, long suspected to have been involved in the Roswell incident because of witness testimony, was actually the leading U.S. expert on Fugo balloons. There are of course others, even down to how these experimental programs were utilizing exotic materials that account for some of the more dramatic Roswell testimony—like metal that “remembered” its original shape.  Space prevents more than passing mention of the details of such details.

PP=== What does all this add up to?  On one hand, there is strong documentary evidence for Redfern’s thesis.  It is coherent and has powerful explanatory value.  On the other hand, most of the specific connections to Roswell itself come from inside sources—witnesses to events who either want to remain unnamed, or who must be taken at their word.  The question the reader will have to answer is whether this is sufficient for providing the “final answer” for the Roswell story.  In my mind, this reconstruction covers every significant data point in the Roswell legend.  All that remains is documenting each point.  Nick has documented a number of the points, and so work remains.  Not everyone agrees, naturally.]

Mike ends with / goes on to continue with a very fair assessment of Stanton Friedman's review of Nick's book - which you can probably guess was less than favorable. Mike charitably points out that it's fair that someone who has invested so many years of his life into promoting one view would indeed need a little more documentation than Nick provided to completely overturn Friedman's alien view of course.

But what about you? Not everybody is as ardent in their belief that aliens crashed here as Stanton Friedman is, and quite honestly, I'm considering my target audience for this lecture the "undecided" category, not so much the true believers. I think it's a cinch that the craft can be argued as an earth-made vehicle... But let me read to you in Nick's words some documentation regarding the types of humans who - in general - were being experimented on in 1947 by the U.S. government.


"One other critical piece of evidence officially links such conditions as progeria and dwarfism with the activities at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and elsewhere in the summer of 1947...

"...November 3, 1947 issue of the Biology Division Bulletin of the Clinton National Laboratory..." pp 202-203


Reading just one paragraph from Nick's chapter, citing the November 1947 Biology Division Bulletin... (read circled para)

Now I'm not asking you if you 100% believe Nick's hypothesis about some of those kids playing into the Roswell incident, or my original progeria hypothesis that was postulated before Nick introduced radiation testing on human subjects of experimental nuclear-powered ships that were so new they needed balloons att'd to help them fly - as Mike's earlier picture also suggests. I'm not asking you if you believe Mike's hypothesis completely either. All that I'm asking, is "do you now believe that there COULD BE a - or any - terrestrial, earthly, explanations for the bodies that were reportedly found in 1947?"

The only images you've probably ever been exposed to of the "Roswell bodies" were based on something drawn third-hand, 46 years after the fact.

PP========Don't read


"At the time of the writing of the above affidavit (AUGUST 7, 1991),
artist Walter Henn drew the following sketches under the direction of Glenn Dennis. The sketches are to depict the drawing allegedly made for Dennis by the nurse" http://www.ufologie.net/rw/w/glenndennis.htm


This 1991 drawing accompanies Glenn Dennis' affidavit of his participation in the Roswell Incident. At age 65, he is remembering what he claims an unidentified nurse drew for him, and Walter Henn drew these sketches based on what Glenn Dennis said he remembered in 1991of this unidentified nurse's 1947 sketch, which he says he lost.




Drawn third hand, 46 years later, that singular, debatable, image is the major source of almost all "Roswell Bodies" stories that you've most likely ever heard.

I'll also submit now for your consideration the drawings of Frank Kaufman, who was part of the 509th Army Air Base that handled and cleaned up the Roswell crash debris and bodies, altho there's no way of telling today how much of his testimony can be believed, unfortunately. You may have seen this artwork on display when you came in



This is what Frank Kaufmann drew to describe the bodies he claimed to have personally witnessed - this is NOT a third-hand drawing, but first-hand. After he died, Frank Kaufmann's overall testimony itself has finally been deemed as unreliable by Kevin Randle, who along with Don Schmitt distance themselves from his version of events. I just say that to remind you that every drawing of the Roswell bodies and ship that you've likely been exposed to is based on testimony that the researchers who originally published the drawings, themselves now dispute as inauthentic. America and the whole world is under a mistaken notion that I think I can fairly and accurately describe as "a modern mythology."

These images don't look particularly alien, I'd submit to you, but I also submit that no drawings of the alleged bodies are considered reliable by the majority of any published Roswell researchers. All we know is that they are pretty universally said to have large heads, and big eyes, and child-sized bodies.



See also Mickey, from the documentary "I am not a freak"  0:27 - 4:28  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llHgPR2wie8

Something like this, I'm afraid. I'm not going to cue this video by the way, don't worry. But, knowing that high-altitude and radiation tests were among the exact human experimentation tests being run all through the 1940's, AND that disfigured and so-called "undesirables" were among the favorite victims of such...  with what you know today about what different world governments have done in the name of "science" and "research" - including the factor of employing Nazi scientists to carry out the dirty work... I'm simply posing the question to you, "Would you put it past them, to have put someone like this into an experimental craft, just to see what the effects on the human body would be of perhaps never before achieved altitudes and speeds?  Or, "Would you put it past our government - now or then - to use someone like this to find out how much radiation a human body could safely absorb, assuming they're flying a craft with a brand-new, untested nuclear powered engine or something?" Why risk losing Chuck Yaegar when people like this are available, and allegedly expendable?

I'm sorry, I know this is supposed to be a festival, and this line of thought isn't very festive, I realize. But if what I'm sharing here today is anything close to the truth, it does kinda raise the question tho, what exactly are we "celebrating" in the first place?

"Is aliens the only possible explanation for any dead or dying bodies that might have been found at the 1947 crash site?" I'm sorry and kind of sick to my stomach to have to report to you that the answer is patently "No." There was a cold war going on, and apparently both sides felt that it had to be won at any cost.

I'm not asking you to buy any one particular line of reasoning 100%, I'm just asking you to answer for yourself - now that YOU know what people in 1947 - even in 1997, after the main books on the Roswell crash had been published - now that you know what they didn't know then. I've already been argued that the ship itself doesn't require a leap to alien spacecraft anymore to explain. So now I'm asking you to consider, "Do the reports of odd bodies require an alien explanation either?"

I'm almost out of time, so I'm going to plow through this exotic metal possible explanation for you. The "memory metal" that as many know, was described as being very tough, but if crumpled or bent would go back to it's original shape, and there was absolutely nothing like that that was known to exist at the time, right? ...Right?

There's much talk about all the marvels that were allegedly back-engineered from the Roswell crash - like the Stealth Bombers for instance (PP but don't read)


"... the top-secret file of Roswell information came into my possession when I took over the Foreign Technology desk at R&D...

"Today, items such as lasers, integrated circuitry, fiber-optics networks, accelerated particle-beam devices, and even the Kevlar material in bulletproof vests are all commonplace. Yet the seeds for the development of all of them were found in the crash of the alien craft at Roswell and turned up in my files fourteen years later...

"It was alien technology that we used: lasers, accelerated particle-beam weapons, and aircraft equipped with "Stealth" features. 

Col Philip J. Corso "The Day After Roswell" 1997


but we now know that was not the case actually.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying that Colonel Corso was lying - I believe that he believed what he was telling in his book was true to the best of his knowledge. But whoever told him that our Stealth technology was back-engineered from an alien craft - or whoever told the person above him even - or whoever created the famous files and filing cabinet that Corso was put in charge of, possibly was lying. "But why would someone in the government do that to our military, or those under themselves?" we might ask. Colonel Corso actually suggests an answer for that question himself  - paragraph 3 of the Introduction - telling us that even before his involvement with the Roswell files, he knew "a terrible secret" - that quote, "...some of our government's most revered institutions had been penetrated by the KGB." Colonel Corso himself testified to this in 1962 he says, and made a personal effort to get that information to the President Kennedy, via his brother. And in fact, Tom Bower and Linda Hunt both point out in their books on Operation Paperclip that Lt Col William Henry Whalen, who was running Operation Paperclip, was convicted in 1962 of, quote "selling American defense secrets to Soviet Union." He is the highest ranking American military officer to ever be convicted of espionage, in fact - the guy that ran Paperclip - in 1962.

And here's how intelligence and counter-intelligence sometimes work when they suspect that have moles, and the CIA or top military officials are trying to find out who to go after. You give one person some "Top Secret" intelligence data or experimental technology and tell them it's of Russian origin smuggled out by our spies. You give someone else the same information, and tell them it's created from Tesla technology. You tell someone else it's from an extra-terrestrial craft, for instance, and tell someone else Westinghouse invented it and the government seized it and bought it from them under the military application law. NONE of these stories are perhaps true, but you create the documentation and give it to 4 different people. Then you wait to see which fabrication makes it's way to the Soviets... and you know who your mole is.

Well, there's also a "memory metal" out there today called Nitinol that's also argued by some to have been developed in the immediate aftermath of the Roswell crash, as this website and many others argue. Let's first take a quick look at what Nitinol today does when bent out of shape...


and maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYp9rIJRM8s&feature=related

The metal you've just seen requires a temperature change to get back to it's original shape and that's not the way Roswell witnesses describe it happening, so that can't really be it, obviously. But, starting again with good ole Wikipedia

"Nitinol alloys exhibit shape memory AND superelasticity. Shape memory refers to recovering the metal's original un-deformed shape upon heating. Superelasticity however, "occurs at a narrow temperature range" and - get this - "NO HEATING is necessary to cause the un-deformed shape to recover."    So, we ask, exactly how long has this stuff been around?

Well, Nitinol, by that name was more or less "discovered" during research in 1962, and not developed - that we know of - until a decade later, BUT the history of memory metals in general dates back - calling your attention to the red highlighted text - it turns out, to 1932 according to this same Wikipedia article on Nitinol.


This source says these properties were first observed in 1938, BUT also says no "serious research advances" were made until the 1960's. And again I'm going to suggest "none that WE know of." But hopefully you can see already that if we had aircraft flying around the U.S. that the general military, much less the general public, had no clue existed, how much of a stretch is it to wonder if the "memory metals" first discovered in the 1930's, might be making it into experimental crafts of the late 1940's? After all that's a full decade to have U.S. and later German scientists given access to the initial findings, and secret laboratories to work in and develop them. Nowdays we know it's pretty normal that any new discoveries or inventions that might have potential military applications are kept out of the realm of public knowledge until decades after the military has had first crack at maximizing the possibilities, before they're "seeded" into mainstream technology.

The metal from the 1947 Roswell Incident was reported by Jesee Marcel Sr and Jr to be unlike anything known at the time, which usually leads to the explanation "Well then it must be from outer space." Perhaps that's a further leap in logic than is actually necessary however, knowing now, that memory metals were first discovered in the 1930's.

Interesting twist - in just May 2009 well-known UFO reporter Billy Cox published an article revealing that the files relating to the history of memory metal's development in the 1940's are now missing (surprise!) from both the U.S. Air Force base and the Battelle Institute, both of which should have them. So I forward this article to Mike Heiser, who does some research



And Mike notes that "Billy Cox notes that nitinol can also be linked to the Oak Ridge Laboratory — a place that plays a key role in Nick Redfern’s book (the part about radiation experiments on humans exposed to nuclear powered aircraft engines) and Mike adds


"Billy details how Bragalia’s research uncovered a USAF vet who “flew Gen. Laurence Craigie to Roswell during the furor over the alleged UFO recovery” and how Craigie had an office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in 1947, where everyone agrees the Roswell debris, whatever it was, wound up. Cox then asks:

"...if, as skeptics contend, the thing that went down in Roswell was simply a classified but hardly exotic balloon project, why did Craigie make a hurried flight to New Mexico from Washington?

"Let me suggest an answer which doesn’t involve aliens" Mike writes "and which makes good sense in the context of what I suggested in the Facade and, more importantly, the work Nick Redfern has done: ]

> That perhaps
General Craigie went because he knew of a highly-classified project involving a disc-shaped craft that employed the use of nitinol, a metal that had the properties described by Col. Marcel. When Craigie heard the reports and did the math, he knew that the project had to be kept under wraps and attention diverted."

So, keeping in mind the 1946 document which originated in Wright Field Ohio,

detailing the use of the Horten technology, the obvious question that has to be posed is, "Is the reason that the Roswell crash debris was taken to Wright Field Ohio in the first place, simply because THAT'S WHERE the top army brass who knew the WHOLE picture, actually worked out of?" To put it another way, "Is it possible that General Craigie just wanted his Nitinol back, before it fell into the hands of the 509th Nuclear Bomb technicians?" Or even, "Was the 1947 debris taken to Wright Field Ohio, because that's where some of the Nazi scientist were - as the Christina Gibson article detailed - who  - crash and cover-up aside - still needed to document the effects of the nuclear test-flight on the bodies?"

Any or all of the above?

To finally close this out... In 1947 the general public and most of the military knew absolutely nothing about the exotic flying crafts the Germans had invented, or that the American government had in our possession and was working to replicate - and improve upon before the Russians could do so, and come over here and wipe us off the map. 1947 Americana citizens also knew nothing about the 1930's discovery of Memory Metals. In fact most of you probably didn't until today - even tho, if you wear eye-glasses - there could be some in your frames. And especially in 1947, American citizens would not have believed or even wanted to know that our own government was even remotely capable of FATALLY experimenting on its own citizens, for ANY reason. The possibility of such well-documented - now - atrocities didn't even enter their minds. Of course it wouldn't - we were the good guys, remember?

So when the Roswell Incident happened in 1947, none of what I've shared with you today was even remotely within the realm possibility to consider when faced with the facts 1947 witnesses had at hand.

PP== Image of small square box with "popular" Roswell ship and green alien, metal image from above, and Dennis artwork OUTSIDE of it

ALL people knew for 50 years was that an exotic ship made of an unheard-of type of metal, with strange bodies dying everywhere around it, crashed in the desert here, and that the government enforced a cover-up of never-before heard of proportions. You need to know that polls from the 1940's and 50's - unlike today - show that not 1 in 10 people believed life on other planets even existed, much less was visiting earth, like three-quarters plus believe today, according to polls. It took some pretty courageous people, thinking really outside the box, to even go on record as considering that the Roswell wreckage might be from another world. Anybody willing to think outside the box on this event for even the first 50 years of the cover-up, has always done so at the risk and personal expense of extensive ridicule - especially from their peers and family. The witnesses who have come forward over the decades and the researchers who have affiliated their good names with these stories are to be commended for their courage, in most cases, I'd say.

But I'm also finally suggesting that this proverbial box that people have been thinking outside of all this time, is today much larger than we ever previously thought.

PP== Large square box with Horten, Paperclip scientists, progeria kid, Rense page, INSIDE of it


I'm asking "Do we even have to go outside of the box - today - to account for the reported details of The Roswell Incident anymore?"

I want you to consider, that if everything we've discussed today WAS public knowledge in 1947, and the news got out that our government recovered a crashed flying saucer in the New Mexico desert and covered it up for some reason .. what do you think most people would have thought, then, if all this we've learned today were public knowledge in 1947? Perhaps something like "Oh it's just another one of those Stealthy Horten/Lippisch spin-off thingies they're working on over in White Sands to fight the Commies - Hope nobody got hurt." "What kind of "legs" do you think the alien theory would have gotten over the last 6 and a half decades IF the average American in 1947 knew about Operation Paperclip, or the fantastic Nazi flying machines?

Because the main strength behind the alien hypothesis of the 1947 Roswell Incident is not ANYTHING resembling PROOF of extraterrestrial activity, but has instead always been the belief that there's just simply "no other explanation" for the reported and undisputable facts, and extremely credible witness testimony.

I am gently, and humbly I hope, confronting that belief system today, and asking you to re-think the entire event yourself also, based on the preponderance of evidence made available to us all only very recently. I am today presenting to you that there are in fact many other possible explanations for all of the reported details of The Roswell Incident, and suggesting that it's time for us all to re-think what we think we know about this event.


The Roswell UFO Symposium this weekend contains at least two very important other lectures I also want to invite you to attend. Later today Alexander Rojas is presenting the lecture "Roswell's Effect on Culture and Media" and tomorrow Karyn Dolan is presenting "How The Roswell Incident Took Ufology To a New Level" - these will be very important presentations for understanding how massively huge the impact the Roswell Incident has had on our world today. And no doubt, The Roswell Incident is considered by millions, if not billions of people world-wide, to be the greatest "proof-text" for belief in life on other planets visiting here there is. Kinda like I say on the website, belief that the Roswell Incident was extraterrestrial in origin, is, to the entire global belief system that life exists on other planets, kind of like the Apostle Paul is to Christianity - the main and most influential early proponent of my personal belief system. It's also a lot like what both Apple and Microsoft Windows are to computers. Sure computers existed before Bill Gates got/stole the snazzy idea to make a graphic user interface, but it was a very tiny majority of the populace that "knew code" and how to use computers. They all wore white coats and had pocket protectors. Now everyone has a computer. But like Personal Computers are to the mainstream, belief in life on other planets is now also mainstream, thanks largely to what is popularly believed about the Roswell legend. But just as you hear out these upcoming lectures during this weekend's symposium, I'd encourage you to keep the question in the back of your mind "What if this is all based on a wrong idea?" You might further ask "What if it's all based on a deliberate lie?"

"And who's really behind perpetuating this belief system, still today, from behind closed doors? "And Why....?" are all questions that should be keeping some of us up at night I think. I can almost certainly guarantee you that it's nobody you or I voted for, or against.


You might not agree with or even like what I've just delivered, but I want to thank you for your consideration of this view, and especially thank conference organizer Robert LeLoov-er, Roswell Mayor Del Jurney, former Roswell  Mayor Sam LaGrone and especially current UFO Festival chairperson Renee Roach for allowing this view to be offered to you in the first place...Come up here you two. In many print articles I've read over the years I've seen the City of Roswell in general be accused of "hucksterism" over and over again - just riding a wave and "raking in cash from gullible tourists" ... Many people might say that if this view that I've presented actually became popularized, it could "really hurt tourism" you know?

But I want to thank these particular City of Roswell Festival organizers for their integrity, and truly ethical stance - because I can almost certainly guarantee you that I'll never be invited to present this view at the UFO Museum - but I have to thank those who allowed this view to be presented, so that you could make up your own mind about what you ultimately believe might have happened here in 1947... So just if you think that you deserve to have the right to hear out theories like I've presented, you have these particular Festival organizers to thank, and I'd like you to please offer THEM a round of applause IF you agree that you have have the right to hear alternative views like this one.

And be sure to thank them personally.

Renee we have something for you, in recognition of all your hard work these past 4 years...





DVDs of this lecture available at http://www.TheInvisibleBattle.com



Because of time, had to cut

Conspiracy/Worldview changer


Overall I agree very whole-heartedly with what our next speaker, Dennis Balthaser, has said to me personally at another venue. He feels, and I agree, that whatever actually did happen here in 1947 was so well-covered up at the time, by security and threats to witnesses that were imposed immediately, combined with the fact that any and all records pertaining to not just the Roswell Incident itself, but to the entire 509th Roswell Army Air Field - where our nation's nuclear bombs and the Enola Gay were kept - somehow even those records have allegedly been lost, and probably destroyed ... it all argues for what Dennis says is the idea that this thing was so well covered up, and the very few people who understood the big picture from the top down at the time have been dead so long - I mean "Top Brass" was in their 30's and 40's at minimum, 65 years ago - that he said to me and I believe, that nobody alive today even really knows anymore what happened here in 1947. The records have in fact been destroyed, even the few  military witnesses and participants alive today weren't that high-ranking at age 20 or 25 - they did what they were told, they were fed cover stories and lies, and were instructed to keep silent. So ALL that anyone is ever going to be able to tell you from here out, is a best-guess - based on research yes and second-hand accounts yes - but it's sad truth today to say that it's very unlikely that anyone ever will know the entire truth behind the Roswell Incident. And if someone were to come out now with authority or with government sanction, and tell you, or the world, that they indeed do know the truth - with all the official lies that have been told over the decades, we'd have absolutely no motivation to trust them. If that happened, you'd be smart to ask them, "Okay what's your angle?" or say "Well, I believe that you were told that information by someone higher than you, and that you honestly believe it to be true...

Thanks to Sam and Renee, honors





In Roswell and the Reich alternative science and history researcher Joseph P Farrell presents a very different scenario of what crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, and why the U.S. military has continued its cover-up to this day.

Product Description

Physicist and Oxford-educated historian Farrell continues his best-selling series of exposés on secret Nazi technology, Nazi survival, and postwar Nazi operations such as German survival and Project Paperclip with the newly formed CIA and other defense/military establishments. In Roswell and the Reich alternative science and history researcher Joseph P Farrell presents a very different scenario of what crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, and why the U.S. military has continued its cover-up to this day. By means of a meticulous review of the best-known Roswell research from both UFO-ET advocates and skeptics alike, as well as some not-so-well known Roswell research, Farrell presents a fascinating case sure to disturb both ET believer and skeptic alike, namely, that what crashed may have been representative of an independent postwar Nazi power, an extraterritorial Reich monitoring its old enemy, America, and its continuing developments of the very technologies it confiscated from Germany at the end of the war.

Do I agree with Dr. Farrell's ultimate conclusion? To an extent perhaps; it's just too early to tell. I will readily say that I'm not in the camp of the "Skeptics", but I will also note that many in the "Extraterrestrial origins" camp often make significant leaps in logic, and appear to want to let their paradigm interpret the evidence, instead of letting the evidence frame their paradigm. At this point in the book, I would find myself somewhere between Dr. Farrell's view (that a post-war, extra-territorial Nazi presence in South America is responsible for what crashed in Roswell); those that state it's extra-terrestrial in origin; and those that posit an "inter-dimensional" perspective. But I will reserve final judgment until I've finished reading the entire book. However, regardless of whether or not I change my view as to the ultimate nature of the Roswell event, I will say that as a direct result of what I've read thus far, I've already learned a great deal by "stepping back" - as Dr. Farrell has done - and "re-viewing" the source documents for what they SAY/DON'T SAY ON THEIR OWN (vs. what the two currently prevailing perspectives interpret them to say), and I believe anyone interested in this incident would find this to be true as well. Meticulously researched; cogently argued; convincingly presented. I strongly recommend this book as a worthy read and addition to your library - whether you're a believer, skeptic, or just someone who's curious as to "what this Roswell thing's all about".



Ian says, "Some of these scientists who didn't end up in the U.S. or the Soviets, ended up in Argentina"
Ferrel answers "at least 3 by name" but the real number is 50 or more
Ian: "We know that they were housing and



LAST WORD on ROSWELL - Joseph Farrell is the best researcher out there right now. He creates the lead that the rest of us must follow. This book continues his jaw dropping thesis concerning advanced German technology and the purposeful cover-up of these extraordinary advances. The book pounds the last nails into the coffin of the entire alien invasion cover story and reveals the truth that has been in front of us for almost 70 years. He also reveals the cynical way that the alien cover story has been used by well-known UFO researchers who must have seen the truth at some point in their investigations - but they chose to ignore it. 

Farrell won't make any friends with this book - outside those of us who want the truth.


Michael Schratt has been studying top secret military planes and has developed first hand contacts with people who have worked on “black projects”. He has also studied hundreds of UFO cases reports from the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) files and others. Schratt has lectured around the world regarding mysterious and secret aircraft. He is currently a private pilot and aerospace draftsman.

Michael Schratt presentation at MUFON LA


Courtesy Design video


Flying Saucers-For Real!
By Jack D. Pickett and Michael H. Schratt

Now, after 60 years, the true story of the U.S. involvement into the design and construction of "Flying Saucers" can now finally come to light. ... which point to a very "terrestrial" explanation for many of the "UFO" sightings beginning since 1947.

By Michael Schratt, as told by Mr. Jack D. Pickett (retired WWII combat veteran and publisher)

Jack and Harold learned that some experimental jet aircraft were being stored at the base salvage/scrap-yard. These particular aircraft had already been decommissioned/declassified, and were parked directly outside, and NOT in a hangar. In September of 1967

Under armed guard, Jack was personally shown literally hundreds of official U.S.A.F. photographs of these aircraft in formation flight, on the tarmac, and was shown portions of motion picture footage of these aircraft in flight. Jack was allowed to select those photographs best suited for the up-coming NCO Club newsletter article, and obtain additional detailed information concerning the discs.

Some of the in-flight photos clearly showed the discs being escorted by an F-84 Thunderjet (straight-wing) interceptor aircraft. Looking head on, they appeared as the classic so-called "Flying Saucer" shape

 The standard Air Force insignia, and the word "XPERIMENTAL" followed by "USAF", was visibly printed starting immediately behind the windows of the compartment on towards the tail. All four discs were polished aluminum silver in color, with the aircraft skin seams and rivets clearly visible. Amazingly, each aircraft was so exceedingly streamlined that it appeared as though each craft were made out of one piece. 

These bombs were capable of being delivered with "pin-point" accuracy decades before Lockheed F-117 Stealth Fighters dropped "smart bombs" on Iraq during the Gulf War. This indicates that the primary mission for this aircraft may have been that of a long range reconnaissance bomber. Jack was told that this aircraft regularly over-flew Russia after WWII, but was told: "you can't print that".

 When Jack asked the O.I.C. if these were the Flying Saucers everybody was reporting, he was given an affirmative reply... With a top speed of 15,500 mph, and an almost unlimited range, they definitely still remain among the utter most classified aircraft in the U.S.A.F. inventory. Jack also inquired why they had been discontinued, and was told that it had to do with maneuverability problems, and that the U.S.A.F. now had "better ones".

The four disc shaped experimental aircraft were never featured in the October 1967 issue of "NCO Club News"... Jack was specifically told that it would be in the "better interest of the Air Force" to delay publication of his article.

 During WWII, Germany had become the undisputed leader in highly advanced aircraft technology. The Me-262 jet interceptor, Horten flying wings, and the Me-163 rocket powered aircraft were decades ahead of allied designs. Under the direction of General Hans Kammler, the man in charge of operations at Peenemunde, and Dr. Wernher von Braun's boss, a secret saucer program was started in Dresden in 1942. This design team, headed by Dr. Richard Miethe, was ultimately responsible for the manufacture of the incredible discs that Jack Pickett saw at MacDill AFB in 1967. It can now be revealed, that these discs had been originally built in Germany in the fall of 1943, with the first flight occurring during the spring of 1944. After the close of WWII, many German aeronautical engineers were sent to White Sands Missile Range under "Operation Paperclip". 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IodzE5F4P4 Schratt Paranormal Matrix Video.. 2:14 - End?

Music videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XsGB_Y1RQ



What I'm going to be proposing here today highly suggests that what actually crashed here in New Mexico in 1947 was a very classified type of man-made craft, designed by German scientists that our government secretly brought to the United States after World 2 in a program that would remain classified, and that the U.S. government had, yes, sufficient motivation to cover up the experimental technology perhaps, but that they had as much or even considerably more motivation in covering up the presence of these men here, on U.S. soil. Part of what I'm going to detail for you wasn't even declassified until 1973, and by then we were a pretty jaded culture by comparison. Today we're even more so, and we've become more and more aware of what atrocities governments are capable of. But if any of this got out in 1947, it would have potentially destroyed this nation... and whether it should have been done or not in the first place is highly debatable, but once I've shared with you JUST the parts that are NOW de-classified, you might even find yourself agreeing with the decision of our Post World War 2 government to cover up the details of the crash of 1947.


[On the same day that I captured that screenshot, I also googled just the term "Roswell UFO" - much more generic I think you'll agree, and this is how it was doing then...